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04-12-13 14.56

corgiov ha scritto:
I consigli riportati in inglese non sono per niente utili. Non funzionano. Si tratta della medesima procedura che sto cercando di seguire. Forse il limite è Windows 8.1 Pro?



I could try to help you to find what is wrong.

Where did you store the files (.UVI and .UVD) ? For Win 8 it might best to have them in the root dir of the USB stick.
What where the exact filenames ?

Could you post the contents of the .UVI file here using both Notepad and Wordpad (i.e. copy the contents) ?
(Both might look the same if this forum adds carriages returns HEX '0D' if only linefeeds HEX '0A'
are present)

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04-12-13 15.09

File name: Federica&Choir1.S559.UVD



[Voice]
Category=104
Order=1
Name=Federica&Choir1
Icon=S559
LinkRel=Federica&Choir1.S559.UVD

Original link for download: http://hephaestusitalia.altervista.org/blog/female-solo-2/ & http://hephaestusitalia.altervista.org/blog/steinway-grand-2/.
Edited 4 Dic. 2013 14:14

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04-12-13 15.50

corgiov ha scritto:
File name: Federica&Choir1.S559.UVD



[Voice]
Category=104
Order=1
Name=Federica&Choir1
Icon=S559
LinkRel=Federica&Choir1.S559.UVD

Original link for download: http://hephaestusitalia.altervista.org/blog/female-solo-2/ & http://hephaestusitalia.altervista.org/blog/steinway-grand-2/



The contents seem to be correct. However, Notepad or Worpad do not show the linefeed or carriage return
characters. Is it possible to somehow attach the file to your post so that I could check it using a HEX Editor ?
Or can you store it somewhere else where I can download it ?

I checked that this works with the SteinwayStereo sample by just renaming it to Federica&Choir1.S559.UVN
and the UVI file name was FredericaChoir.T015.UVI. The conversion went OK (after correcting the mistakes I had done in the UVI file).

You didn't tell where on your computer (in which folder) you stored the files ?

Edit: I checked also the Federica&Choir1.S559.UVN and it works OK

NOW I also detected the mistake in your UVI file: the extension is UVD while it should be UVN !!!
Edited 4 Dic. 2013 15:04

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04-12-13 15.58

@ corgiov
File name: Federica&Choir1.S559.UVD



[Voice]
Category=104
Order=1
Name=Federica&Choir1
Icon=S559
LinkRel=Federica&Choir1.S559.UVD

Original link for download: http://hephaestusitalia.altervista.org/blog/female-solo-2/ & http://hephaestusitalia.altervista.org/blog/steinway-grand-2/.
Edited 4 Dic. 2013 14:14
Come è possibile che sia un .UVD? La voce di Federica deve essere un .UVN! Non contiene parti percussive emo

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04-12-13 16.05

Trovato il problema! Era giusto il consiglio di lavorare nella directory root. Nel file che ho creato, avevo dimenticato di correggere l’ultima lettera. Grazie per avermelo fatto notare. Ora vado a provare questo primo file. Se va, rifaccio tutto, e poi pubblico i file di testo corretti por ogni voce.

Durante l’installazione, ho ricevuto un errore tentando di caricare il file creato (con estensione PPF) dalla memoria USB. Per fortuna, sono riuscito a far riconoscere lo strumento via Wi-Fi. Non ho capito bene che procedura ho seguito, ma ci sono riuscito.
Edited 4 Dic. 2013 15:12

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04-12-13 16.15

La voce funziona, ma è stata inserita in una cartella denominata MyDrums, perché ho lasciato il nome invariato al file di testo. Ora sto ripetendo la procedura.
Intanto salvatevi questo link. Prossimamente appariranno i file di testo UVI da abbinare alle varie voci. Non inserisco i file PPF, essendo molto pesanti. Basterà utilizzare il programma di Yamaha per l’elaborazione.
Edited 4 Dic. 2013 16:28

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04-12-13 17.27

Purtroppo, sono riuscito a far riconoscere soltanto cinque voci:
Federica&Choir1-4 e FedericaCartoon.
Non riesco a caricare né le altre voci corali, né gli Steinway.

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04-12-13 17.55

corgiov ha scritto:
Purtroppo, sono riuscito a far riconoscere soltanto cinque voci:
Federica&Choir1-4 e FedericaCartoon.
Non riesco a caricare né le altre voci corali, né gli Steinway


Do you mean that you cannot install them on your Tyros-5, although the conversion succeeded without errors ?
Edited 4 Dic. 2013 17:13

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04-12-13 18.13

@ TyrosGuy
corgiov ha scritto:
Purtroppo, sono riuscito a far riconoscere soltanto cinque voci:
Federica&Choir1-4 e FedericaCartoon.
Non riesco a caricare né le altre voci corali, né gli Steinway


Do you mean that you cannot install them on your Tyros-5, although the conversion succeeded without errors ?
Edited 4 Dic. 2013 17:13
He was able to install only the highlighted voices. But not the others of my package.

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04-12-13 18.16

Mi dà errore su qualsiasi voce. Sembra strano, perché le prime cinque hanno funzionato. Qui ho inserito i file che ho creato.

It gives me error on any item. It seems strange, because the first five worked.
Edited 4 Dic. 2013 17:23

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04-12-13 18.25

Do the rest of the voices use some Tyros-4 internal samples ?

Edit: It was mentioned on the psrtutorial forum that all the sample packs need to be installed in one go. Link below:
here
Edited 4 Dic. 2013 17:43

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04-12-13 18.47

Ho provato sia inserendo più voci sia una sola nel file UVI.

I tried inserting multiple entries and by entering one.
Edited 4 Dic. 2013 17:57

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04-12-13 18.59

I hope Francesco could answer my first question ?

Edit: Installing in one go is different from converting in one go. If you put all the links to the UVN files in one UVI file, that will result in converting in one go, but the resulting sample packs will be the same as if you converted them one by one. So if you had all the packs converted when starting the installation, then that was installing in one go in my understanding.
Edited 4 Dic. 2013 18:13

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04-12-13 19.28

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04-12-13 20.12

@ TyrosGuy
Do the rest of the voices use some Tyros-4 internal samples ?

Edit: It was mentioned on the psrtutorial forum that all the sample packs need to be installed in one go. Link below:
here
Edited 4 Dic. 2013 17:43
In the Steinway Piano library, only the Steinway80s uses the internal samples of the CP80, as background layer, to increase the presence.

In the Federica's library, the Federica&Choir patterns and the FedericaPadded patterns have internal Pad samples.

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04-12-13 20.30

In the Tyros-5 FAQ Yamaha has said that sample packs that use Tyros internal samples cannot be converted
using the current version of the Expansion Manager. Some people have reported that the conversion fails.

However, now the conversion seemed to be successful, but the sample packs couldn't be installed.
This is something new to me.

Edit: To be precise the Yamaha answer was the following

A: Yamaha Expansion Manager can make Custom Voices created on Tyros4 that contain only[s] User
Wave[/s] data compatible with Tyros-5
Edited 4 Dic. 2013 20:37

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04-12-13 21.16

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05-12-13 08.17

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05-12-13 18.47

Here's my conclusion about the situation:
- the Yamaha Expansion Manager may or may not convert custom voices that use Tyros-4 (or Tyros-3) internal voices
- according to Yamaha, custom voices that use internal samples of previous Tyros arrangers cannot be used on Tyros-5
- even if the custom voice is using only "User Waves" the converted voice cannot be installed on Tyros-5 if
the wave data is not "compatible" with Tyros-5
- there is no guarantee that the situation would get any better with the promised new (Spring 2014) version of
the Expansion Manager: in the best case it could, but in the worst case not

It is instructive to read what is actually said in the Tyros-5 FAQ about this:
- Q:How can Tyros5 handle Voice edit?

Voice set can be edited on Tyros5. Further Voice editability will be available with the future version of Yamaha Expansion Manager.(Scheduled to release in spring 2014)

This is so vague that it doesn't guarantee anything.


Thanks corgiov for the UVI files. They had nice formatting.
Edited 5 Dic. 2013 17:57

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